then i say, are you holding back on hiring because of the environment? they say absolutely. these young people are being denied. over 53% can't find a job even with a bachelor's degree. >> brian: you want to ask us a question? >> yes. the question i want to ask you, if you look at the unemployment rate for the 16 to 24-year-olds, what is the unemployment rate for that group, which includes the college students versus the national unemployment rate? >> gretchen: i'm going to say c. >> steve: 11, 14 or 16. i'll go with gretch, the bigger number. >> brian: i'll go b. >> you're absolutely right. the unemployment rate for young people 16 to 24 is twice that of the so-called national average of 8.1%. that is a startling number. >> steve: how about another question? >> then the other question is: if you were to consider the four years that most college students spent to graduate this year, 2012, how much did the national debt increase while they were studying for four years? >> gretchen: 2.2 trail, 4.6 trillion. i'm going for c again. >> let me tell you, you are brilliant. 6.1 tril